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Post  james.steelhaven on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:44 pm

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james.steelhaven wrote:
Lord Nerevar wrote:


Yea, I kinda agree with them. We have no reason to hate on Dunmer as a whole.
*They didn't side with the Aldmeri Dominion (and were against it, iirc)
*They don't persecute Talos worship.
*They don't like the cold.

I say, cut 'em slack.

I never thought I would see an open-minded Nord in while life. Very Happy

It would be done for most if the 'filthy' was removed, but I don't even have grey skin. Though maybe I could take it as a compliment, as Grimnir is saying that I am worthy to receive Azura's gift.

And who was the slave taking race among us for countless generations?


Freedom for Skyrim means ALL of Skyrim, not just the Nords. Dunmer, Argonians, and Khajiit have done nothing wrong to us as a whole. Hell, we even gave the entire Island of Solstheim as a home due to the Red Mountain disaster.
Only the Imperials, Altmer, and Bosmer have a lot to answer for. Even then, there are good ones within those races that we can be accepting of, provided that they are accepting of us.

Argonians? The same ones banned from your leaders city?

You mean the Khajiit? I don't recall Argonians being BANNED from the city. Khajiit yes, but not Argonians.
Either way, I didn't say we didn't have issues to work out and everything was hunky dory.
Your right, racism is a 'thing' we have to work out. But we are (or were depending on which story line you go by) fighting a war, other issues are/were far more pressing.

Also, Vulgruff, didn't you mean to post something? Instead of just a massive quote storm?

Argonians ARE banned from Windhelm.

Racism is a 'thing' you have to work out? I laughed.
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Re: An honest request

Post  The Rebel on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:46 pm

james.steelhaven wrote:
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Lord Nerevar wrote:Do the Dunmer care about what happens to the Argonimans? I'm sure many approve of forcing them to live on the docks. It's better than slavery, though that has been banned in Morrowund for a long time.

No, the only purpose of Argonians is to be our boots. James is wrong about Ulfric caring for the beast races.

Stop derailing the topic. This isn't about Ulfric (that's in another thread). This is about cutting Dunmer slack.

I told Arnier to make this topic.
And it was actually about recognising us as Temple Patriarchs, not dogs or grey skins.

The situation is being handled so we're just topic bumping until Grimnir does something.

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Re: An honest request

Post  james.steelhaven on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:47 pm

OK, something went screwy with that last post. Gonna try again.

The Rebel wrote: Argonians ARE banned from Windhelm.
Racism is a 'thing' you have to work out? I laughed.

And who among us was the slave taking race for centuries?
Don't make ME laugh.
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Re: An honest request

Post  The Rebel on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:50 pm

james.steelhaven wrote:OK, something went screwy with that last post. Gonna try again.

The Rebel wrote: Argonians ARE banned from Windhelm.
Racism is a 'thing' you have to work out? I laughed.

And who among us was the slave taking race for centuries?
Don't make ME laugh.

I am still laughing. We're talking about the rebellion.

Where did I say the Dunmer were any kinder?

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Re: An honest request

Post  james.steelhaven on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:51 pm

The Rebel wrote:
james.steelhaven wrote:OK, something went screwy with that last post. Gonna try again.

The Rebel wrote: Argonians ARE banned from Windhelm.
Racism is a 'thing' you have to work out? I laughed.

And who among us was the slave taking race for centuries?
Don't make ME laugh.

I am still laughing. We're talking about the rebellion.

Where did I say the Dunmer were any kinder?

You didn't.
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Re: An honest request

Post  Lord Nerevar on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:51 pm

I don't remember the Dunmer driving an entire race out of it's homeland, and forcing them underground in a war of extermination.
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Re: An honest request

Post  The Rebel on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:52 pm

james.steelhaven wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
james.steelhaven wrote:OK, something went screwy with that last post. Gonna try again.

The Rebel wrote: Argonians ARE banned from Windhelm.
Racism is a 'thing' you have to work out? I laughed.

And who among us was the slave taking race for centuries?
Don't make ME laugh.

I am still laughing. We're talking about the rebellion.

Where did I say the Dunmer were any kinder?

You didn't.

Yet you implied I did. What was the point in making that remark?

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Re: An honest request

Post  Lord Nerevar on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:53 pm

Considering how derailed the Torygg thread got, I don't think you should really comment on this thread being derailed.
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Re: An honest request

Post  james.steelhaven on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:53 pm

Argonians ARE banned from Windhelm.

That's funny, and who works the docks of Windhelm? They sure look like green skins to me.
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Re: An honest request

Post  The Rebel on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:55 pm

james.steelhaven wrote:
Argonians ARE banned from Windhelm.

That's funny, and who works the docks of Windhelm? They sure look like green skins to me.

The docks aren't in the city are they?

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Re: An honest request

Post  james.steelhaven on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:55 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:I don't remember the Dunmer driving an entire race out of it's homeland, and forcing them underground in a war of extermination.

Those weren't Nords either, but Atmorans.
And that was in retaliation for Saarthal.
Very, very, very, overkill and unwarranted, yes.

But there was a reason.
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Re: An honest request

Post  Lord Nerevar on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:56 pm

They are banned from entering the city, and have to live and work in the docks. How is that not racist?
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Re: An honest request

Post  james.steelhaven on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:57 pm

The Rebel wrote:
james.steelhaven wrote:
Argonians ARE banned from Windhelm.

That's funny, and who works the docks of Windhelm? They sure look like green skins to me.

The docks aren't in the city are they?
They are banned from entering the city, and have to live and work in the docks. How is that not racist?

They are claimed by Windhelm, last I checked. If your referring to city proper, then your splitting hairs.
(Hair, Argonian, get it?)
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Re: An honest request

Post  The Rebel on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:57 pm

james.steelhaven wrote:
Lord Nerevar wrote:I don't remember the Dunmer driving an entire race out of it's homeland, and forcing them underground in a war of extermination.

Those weren't Nords either, but Atmorans.
And that was in retaliation for Saarthal.
Very, very, very, overkill and unwarranted, yes.

But there was a reason.
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Sorry Saint but that was ages ago, why people bring that uo is beyond me.

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Re: An honest request

Post  The Rebel on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:58 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:They are banned from entering the city, and have to live and work in the docks. How is that not racist?

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Post  james.steelhaven on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:58 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:Considering how derailed the Torygg thread got, I don't think you should really comment on this thread being derailed.

Yea, we did kinda get off topic, by a county or three, didn't we?
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Post  Lord Nerevar on Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:58 pm

The Nords are the closest living relatives to the Atmorans though, and aren't exactly dissimilar. The name changed, the Atmorans living in Slyrim didn't too much, it was the ones in Cyrodiil that did. That might have been part of the reason for the name change, aside from then not living in Atmora for a while.
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Post  james.steelhaven on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:00 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:The Nords are the closest living relatives to the Atmorans though, and aren't exactly dissimilar. The name changed, the Atmorans living in Slyrim didn't too much, it was the ones in Cyrodiil that did. That might have been part of the reason for the name change, aside from then not living in Atmora for a while.

And... so... speaking of race change... who is here claiming to be 'Chimer' instead of 'Dunmer' and not being the same?
I'll grant you Ysgrammor is in Nord heaven, that's true.
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Re: An honest request

Post  The Rebel on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:03 pm

james.steelhaven wrote:
Lord Nerevar wrote:The Nords are the closest living relatives to the Atmorans though, and aren't exactly dissimilar. The name changed, the Atmorans living in Slyrim didn't too much, it was the ones in Cyrodiil that did. That might have been part of the reason for the name change, aside from then not living in Atmora for a while.

And... so... speaking of race change... who is here claiming to be 'Chimer' instead of 'Dunmer' and not being the same?
I'll grant you Ysgrammor is in Nord heaven, that's true.
Sovngarde isn't like heaven. Die in battle and have no ties to other places (Hircine and Nocturnal's realms, for example) means you go there.

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Re: An honest request

Post  james.steelhaven on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:06 pm

The Rebel wrote:
james.steelhaven wrote:
Lord Nerevar wrote:The Nords are the closest living relatives to the Atmorans though, and aren't exactly dissimilar. The name changed, the Atmorans living in Slyrim didn't too much, it was the ones in Cyrodiil that did. That might have been part of the reason for the name change, aside from then not living in Atmora for a while.

And... so... speaking of race change... who is here claiming to be 'Chimer' instead of 'Dunmer' and not being the same?
I'll grant you Ysgrammor is in Nord heaven, that's true.
Sovngarde isn't like heaven. Die in battle and have no ties to other places (Hircine and Nocturnal's realms, for example) means you go there.

Regardless, he is still there, instead of "Atmora heaven" where ever that is. Also, pretty sure only devout Nords go there.
After all Tullius falls in battle, but isn't in Sovngarde like Ulfric, Galmor, and Rikke are. Pretty sure it's Nords only.
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Re: An honest request

Post  The Rebel on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:07 pm

james.steelhaven wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
james.steelhaven wrote:
Lord Nerevar wrote:The Nords are the closest living relatives to the Atmorans though, and aren't exactly dissimilar. The name changed, the Atmorans living in Slyrim didn't too much, it was the ones in Cyrodiil that did. That might have been part of the reason for the name change, aside from then not living in Atmora for a while.

And... so... speaking of race change... who is here claiming to be 'Chimer' instead of 'Dunmer' and not being the same?
I'll grant you Ysgrammor is in Nord heaven, that's true.
Sovngarde isn't like heaven. Die in battle and have no ties to other places (Hircine and Nocturnal's realms, for example) means you go there.

Regardless, he is still there, instead of "Atmora heaven" where ever that is. Also, pretty sure only devout Nords go there.
After all Tullius falls in battle, but isn't in Sovngarde like Ulfric, Galmor, and Rikke are. Pretty sure it's Nords only.
Yeah, Nord only. I thought that was implied. Atmorans didn't have the same Gods though.

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Re: An honest request

Post  james.steelhaven on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:11 pm

The Rebel wrote:
james.steelhaven wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
james.steelhaven wrote:
Lord Nerevar wrote:The Nords are the closest living relatives to the Atmorans though, and aren't exactly dissimilar. The name changed, the Atmorans living in Slyrim didn't too much, it was the ones in Cyrodiil that did. That might have been part of the reason for the name change, aside from then not living in Atmora for a while.

And... so... speaking of race change... who is here claiming to be 'Chimer' instead of 'Dunmer' and not being the same?
I'll grant you Ysgrammor is in Nord heaven, that's true.
Sovngarde isn't like heaven. Die in battle and have no ties to other places (Hircine and Nocturnal's realms, for example) means you go there.

Regardless, he is still there, instead of "Atmora heaven" where ever that is. Also, pretty sure only devout Nords go there.
After all Tullius falls in battle, but isn't in Sovngarde like Ulfric, Galmor, and Rikke are. Pretty sure it's Nords only.
Yeah, Nord only. I thought that was implied. Atmorans didn't have the same Gods though.

And yet, Ysgrammor is there. You can meet him in the place.
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Re: An honest request

Post  The Rebel on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:12 pm

james.steelhaven wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
james.steelhaven wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
james.steelhaven wrote:
Lord Nerevar wrote:The Nords are the closest living relatives to the Atmorans though, and aren't exactly dissimilar. The name changed, the Atmorans living in Slyrim didn't too much, it was the ones in Cyrodiil that did. That might have been part of the reason for the name change, aside from then not living in Atmora for a while.

And... so... speaking of race change... who is here claiming to be 'Chimer' instead of 'Dunmer' and not being the same?
I'll grant you Ysgrammor is in Nord heaven, that's true.
Sovngarde isn't like heaven. Die in battle and have no ties to other places (Hircine and Nocturnal's realms, for example) means you go there.

Regardless, he is still there, instead of "Atmora heaven" where ever that is. Also, pretty sure only devout Nords go there.
After all Tullius falls in battle, but isn't in Sovngarde like Ulfric, Galmor, and Rikke are. Pretty sure it's Nords only.
Yeah, Nord only. I thought that was implied. Atmorans didn't have the same Gods though.

And yet, Ysgrammor is there. You can meet him in the place.
I know and I was referring to the Atmoran Atmorans. You know what I mean?

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Post  Lord Nerevar on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:12 pm

My point about the Chimer was that my skin isn't grey, it's golden.
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Post  Lord Nerevar on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:15 pm

Though the Atmorans are more similar to Nords than the Chimer to the are Dunmer.
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