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Post  Arnier the fallen on Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:19 am

to begin with we will submit to the fact that all towers not of divine creation were built by the mer of that particular province, and that all towers provide the same purpose to fortify the wheel of convention, but we will touch on that in another topic, for know I want to talk about white gold and it's original purpose.

the white gold tower built by the Eylieds is something special even among the towers of Tamriel, for it's construction and purpose are a metaphysical representation of Nirn itself a wheel within a wheel if you will, as theorises in the Nu-Mantia intercepts (starting here)

now the purpose of such a tower and it's use can only be for the same purpose used by the other to transcend the physical plane and once again become one with the aurbis, however given its unique metaphysical properties one must wonder I it's true purpose was something more sinister, for you see Eylieds unlike other mer of the time were not only
discontent with their place but despised it and whished to take not only themselves but everything else with them by force if necessary. (what happens if you pluck the strings just so) Now as we know for every tower there is a stone a power source if you will for white gold the Eylieds foged the CHIM-el-adabala or amulet of kings to you and I. whether fortunate or no the Eylieds were other thrown by the slave rebellion before it was discovered what the true purpose of the tower was although as shown by the covenant between Alysia and Akatosh it's purpose became to fortify the seal between Nirn and oblivion and through Remen Cyrodil became a tool to ensure the fortification of the wheel.

thank you all for taking time to read my ramblings please feel free to discuss further point out errors and elaborate yourselfs


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Post  Grimnir on Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:47 am

This was an interesting read. While studying the Thalmor conspiracy, I first learned about the metaphysical meaning of the towers, so I wonder what exactly is the nature of the White-Gold Tower compared to the others.
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Post  Arnier the fallen on Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:22 am

that was exactly why lead me to write this. while I'm sure it could perform the same function as the other towers (a means of transcendence) it is different also I forgot to mention tht at the hight of their power the Eylieds kept the ten ancestor statues ins room with the amulet of kings (it's stone) after Martin smashed the amulet and became the avatar of Akatosh to defeat Dagon no one knows what he did to the tower is it disabled is it more powerfull can it hold convention together in its own having a go at its power source asumin the lighting of the dragon fires is as important as we are lead to believe I would live to get a certain developers insight on this but I wouldn't know how to go about contacting him as he is involved heavily in other projects not elder scrolls related except the memospore thing but thts a whole topic all on its own. if you're intrested I can discuss it in a thread similar to this one
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Post  Arnier the fallen on Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:24 am

also how did you link the URL's like that
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Post  DanielStormblade on Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:42 pm

So... I have a question... why do Nord hate All Elves... when as far as I know it was just the High Elves that fought against the Empire... Bosmer and Dummer aren't part of the Almeri Dominion as far as I know
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Post  Grimnir on Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:44 am

The Nord distrust of Elves goes all the way back to when the Atmorans (who the Nords came from) first came to Tamriel. When Ysgramor built Sarthaal, the Nords were in a good friendship with the Elves. But on the Night of Tears, the Snow Elves came and wiped out Sarthaal for no reason, killing everyone but Ysgramor and his two sons. They fled back to Atmora and returned with the 500 Companions. They then wiped out every elf they could find, driving the Snow Elves to seek refuge with the Dwemer and ultimately becoming the Falmer we know today.

There have been many wars between Nords and Elves over the following millenia. One of them culminated in Tiber Septim conquering all of Tamriel and building the Third Empire. There have been many wars with the Dunmer as well. And the hatred is often not started by the Nords - usually it's the elves having a problem with the Nords, whom they see as inferior and thus unworthy of equal treatment. Ironic, isn't it?

As for the Bosmer, to my knowledge there's never been any issue between Nords and Wood Elves, other than the fact that Valenwood is a part of the Aldmeri Dominion, and I'm sure some Bosmer make up part of the Thalmor, or at least Dominion military forces.

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Post  Arnier the fallen on Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:29 am

Grimnir wrote:The Nord distrust of Elves goes all the way back to when the Atmorans (who the Nords came from) first came to Tamriel. When Ysgramor built Sarthaal, the Nords were in a good friendship with the Elves. But on the Night of Tears, the Snow Elves came and wiped out Sarthaal for no reason, killing everyone but Ysgramor and his two sons. They fled back to Atmora and returned with the 500 Companions. They then wiped out every elf they could find, driving the Snow Elves to seek refuge with the Dwemer and ultimately becoming the Falmer we know today.

There have been many wars between Nords and Elves over the following millenia. One of them culminated in Tiber Septim conquering all of Tamriel and building the Third Empire. There have been many wars with the Dunmer as well. And the hatred is often not started by the Nords - usually it's the elves having a problem with the Nords, whom they see as inferior and thus unworthy of equal treatment. Ironic, isn't it?

As for the Bosmer, to my knowledge there's never been any issue between Nords and Wood Elves, other than the fact that Valenwood is a part of the Aldmeri Dominion, and I'm sure some Bosmer make up part of the Thalmor, or at least Dominion military forces.


I'm goin to I've to throw a spanner in the works on something here. you can not say the night of tears was for no reason at all their are some theories that suggest the Nords weren't exactly accepting of some traditions ad were breaking religious laws I the snow elf's (not saying its true) their are other sources that say the Dwemer discovered the eye of Magnus and started to spread lies the deceit to the Falmer (sounds about right) what I'm saying is I just can't see it being for no reason at all.

and on the Bosmer you are right they do make up some minor forces in the dominion army but on the flip side the Bosmer were the first to fight against the Thalmor. another thing that should be taken into account is that not all Altmer are for the Thalmor, infact the Thalmor started off as a small minority party not unlike the nazi party of Germany before the war, it wasn't untill the oblivion crisis an the fall of the crystal tower that they became the dominant party through trickery lies and opertunity
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Post  Grimnir on Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:39 am

Arnier the fallen wrote:
I'm goin to I've to throw a spanner in the works on something here. you can not say the night of tears was for no reason at all their are some theories that suggest the Nords weren't exactly accepting of some traditions ad were breaking religious laws I the snow elf's (not saying its true) their are other sources that say the Dwemer discovered the eye of Magnus and started to spread lies the deceit to the Falmer (sounds about right) what I'm saying is I just can't see it being for no reason at all.

I've heard the theories about the Dwemer before - but those are just theories. As for the religious laws, I've never heard that before. What's your source?

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Post  Arnier the fallen on Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:06 am

Grimnir wrote:
Arnier the fallen wrote:
I'm goin to I've to throw a spanner in the works on something here. you can not say the night of tears was for no reason at all their are some theories that suggest the Nords weren't exactly accepting of some traditions ad were breaking religious laws I the snow elf's (not saying its true) their are other sources that say the Dwemer discovered the eye of Magnus and started to spread lies the deceit to the Falmer (sounds about right) what I'm saying is I just can't see it being for no reason at all.

I've heard the theories about the Dwemer before - but those are just theories. As for the religious laws, I've never heard that before. What's your source?


I'm working on my sorce for that it was a theory/ decision reached about 2 months ago in the lore section of the Bethesda forums and I can't wade through that many topics an posts lol I will have the source in about 12 hours though the investigation cap is on lol
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Post  DanielStormblade on Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:20 am

Grimnir wrote:The Nord distrust of Elves goes all the way back to when the Atmorans (who the Nords came from) first came to Tamriel. When Ysgramor built Sarthaal, the Nords were in a good friendship with the Elves. But on the Night of Tears, the Snow Elves came and wiped out Sarthaal for no reason, killing everyone but Ysgramor and his two sons. They fled back to Atmora and returned with the 500 Companions. They then wiped out every elf they could find, driving the Snow Elves to seek refuge with the Dwemer and ultimately becoming the Falmer we know today.

There have been many wars between Nords and Elves over the following millenia. One of them culminated in Tiber Septim conquering all of Tamriel and building the Third Empire. There have been many wars with the Dunmer as well. And the hatred is often not started by the Nords - usually it's the elves having a problem with the Nords, whom they see as inferior and thus unworthy of equal treatment. Ironic, isn't it?

As for the Bosmer, to my knowledge there's never been any issue between Nords and Wood Elves, other than the fact that Valenwood is a part of the Aldmeri Dominion, and I'm sure some Bosmer make up part of the Thalmor, or at least Dominion military forces.

Wow... I knew that Nords were stubborn but wow... lol oh well. Part of the reason I'm proud to be part Norwegian in real life.
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Post  Arnier the fallen on Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:21 pm

ok so I couldn't find the origional topic so had to start a new one it's here if you want to have a look join in or watch



edit: so i was doing a bit more digging and re-read the imperial report and saarthal while talking to lady nerever on the Bethesda forums, and i can honeslty say with unequivacle certainty that the nrds did something, i dont know what but the attack was definately not unprevoked especially see as the elf's attack was precise, the goal wasnt to destroy saarthal it was to look for/destroy something


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Post  james.steelhaven on Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:31 am

Grimnir wrote:The Nord distrust of Elves... good friendship with the Elves. But on the Night of Tears, the Snow Elves came and wiped out Sarthaal for no reason,

Hold it. The Snow Elves had a reason (not a good one, mind you, but it was a reason). TES elves are similar in biology to Tolkien elves, so they tend to live a REAL long time (life span in the centuries, iirc). In other words, the humans where out breeding the elves 10 to 1. When they ran the numbers they realized that the humans would over run the land in a few centuries, so they did their attack on Sarthaal .

As for the Dunmer, their next big hero Jurgen Windcaller got his rear handed to him by Morrowind Dunmer & Dwemer (courtesy of Lord Nerevar and dwarven battlemechs, mind you!). Today, they are slum dwelling interlopers, even if they didn't really get a choice in the matter thanks to Morrowind's supervolcano going up. BTW, the plight of the Dunmer are a near play by play remake of our world's Jewish population, in case anyone was paying attention.

High and Wood elves, of course, have the Aldmeri Dominion to thank for their current situation, even though there are more non-dominion related elves in Skyrim than the locals want to admit.
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Post  Sovngarde on Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:49 am

james.steelhaven wrote:
Grimnir wrote:The Nord distrust of Elves... good friendship with the Elves. But on the Night of Tears, the Snow Elves came and wiped out Sarthaal for no reason,

Hold it. The Snow Elves had a reason (not a good one, mind you, but it was a reason). TES elves are similar in biology to Tolkien elves, so they tend to live a REAL long time (life span in the centuries, iirc). In other words, the humans where out breeding the elves 10 to 1. When they ran the numbers they realized that the humans would over run the land in a few centuries, so they did their attack on Sarthaal .

As for the Dunmer, their next big hero Jurgen Windcaller got his rear handed to him by Morrowind Dunmer & Dwemer (courtesy of Lord Nerevar and dwarven battlemechs, mind you!). Today, they are slum dwelling interlopers, even if they didn't really get a choice in the matter thanks to Morrowind's supervolcano going up. BTW, the plight of the Dunmer are a near play by play remake of our world's Jewish population, in case anyone was paying attention.

High and Wood elves, of course, have the Aldmeri Dominion to thank for their current situation, even though there are more non-dominion related elves in Skyrim than the locals want to admit.

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Post  james.steelhaven on Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:58 pm

Arnier the fallen wrote:I can honestly say with unequivocal certainty that the Nords did something, I don't know what but the attack was definitely not unprovoked especially see as the elf's attack was precise, the goal wasn't to destroy Saarthal it was to look for/destroy something

Yes, the Eye of Magnus combined with the 'breeding like rabbits' pre-Nords populations. Saarthal was also the only place where Humans were gathered at the time (this is WAY up north and crazy cold, and remember, those pre-Nords probably didn't have their cold tolerances up yet. The Snow Elves needed to nip this in the bud, and quickly. Too bad (for them) that Ysgramor got away.
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Post  Lord Nerevar on Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:22 pm

As for the Dunmer, their next big hero Jurgen Windcaller got his rear handed to him by Morrowind Dunmer & Dwemer (courtesy of Lord Nerevar and dwarven battlemechs, mind you!).



The Dwemer role was overated, everybody knows I was the real reason why we won.
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Post  The Rebel on Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:23 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:
As for the Dunmer, their next big hero Jurgen Windcaller got his rear handed to him by Morrowind Dunmer & Dwemer (courtesy of Lord Nerevar and dwarven battlemechs, mind you!).



The Dwemer role was overated, everybody knows I was the real reason why we won.
On behalf of the Temple I can confirm Saint Nerevar is correct as usual.

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Post  james.steelhaven on Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:33 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:
As for the Dunmer, their next big hero Jurgen Windcaller got his rear handed to him by Morrowind Dunmer & Dwemer (courtesy of Lord Nerevar and dwarven battlemechs, mind you!).



The Dwemer role was overated, everybody knows I was the real reason why we won.

I vote for the battlemechs, because battlemechs are cool.
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Post  Lord Nerevar on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:13 pm

I vote for the battlemechs, because battlemechs are cool.

I'm a Saint, my word is law. Those battlemechs have nothing on me.
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Post  james.steelhaven on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:39 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:
I vote for the battlemechs, because battlemechs are cool.

I'm a Saint, my word is law. Those battlemechs have nothing on me.

Well, not any more.
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Post  Arnier the fallen on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:40 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:
I vote for the battlemechs, because battlemechs are cool.

I'm a Saint, my word is law. Those battlemechs have nothing on me.

I concour and as a representative of the temple I can say we take the word of saint Nerevar as law and that by our decree all arguments against the great saint Nerevar are considered treasonous
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Post  The Rebel on Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:45 pm

Arnier the fallen wrote:
Lord Nerevar wrote:
I vote for the battlemechs, because battlemechs are cool.

I'm a Saint, my word is law. Those battlemechs have nothing on me.

I concour and as a representative of the temple I can say we take the word of saint Nerevar as law and that by our decree all arguments against the great saint Nerevar are considered treasonous
And Blasphemy against the chosen of our Gods.

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Post  Lord Nerevar on Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:54 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:

I'm a Saint, my word is law. Those battlemechs have nothing on me.

james.steelhaven wrote:

Well, not any more.

We may no longer worship the ALMSIVI, but we still venerate our saints, and I am still the Hortator that united Resdayn.
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Post  The Rebel on Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:03 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:
Lord Nerevar wrote:

I'm a Saint, my word is law. Those battlemechs have nothing on me.

james.steelhaven wrote:

Well, not any more.

We may no longer worship the ALMSIVI, but we still venerate our saints, and I am still the Hortator that united Resdayn.
And do not forget, at the centre of Dunmeri belief is Ancestor worship, Nerevar is one and a Saint too.
The Tribunes are still considered holy but saints, not Gods.

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Post  Lord Nerevar on Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:07 pm

And do not forget, at the centre of Dunmeri belief is Ancestor worship, Nerevar is one and a Saint too.
The Tribunes are still considered holy but saints, not Gods.

I don't like to mention the other saints, it draws attention away from me.
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Post  The Rebel on Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:13 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:
And do not forget, at the centre of Dunmeri belief is Ancestor worship, Nerevar is one and a Saint too.
The Tribunes are still considered holy but saints, not Gods.

I don't like to mention the other saints, it draws attention away from me.
Well, yes but you were reincarnated and had a House after you. A House the Temple has almost absorbed but still.

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