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Post  The Rebel on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:16 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:Though the Atmorans are more similar to Nords than the Chimer to the are Dunmer.

Chimer are Dunmer. Just not grey.


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Post  Lord Nerevar on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:17 pm

Culture wise though.
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Post  The Rebel on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:19 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:Culture wise though.

They are essentialy the same. 1 day before the curse and 1 day after they were cultirally the same.

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Post  Lord Nerevar on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:19 pm

And factors like living near ash for so long, whereas the Nords are still living in a cold climate like what Atmora became.
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Post  james.steelhaven on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:20 pm

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Lord Nerevar wrote:The Nords are the closest living relatives to the Atmorans though, and aren't exactly dissimilar. The name changed, the Atmorans living in Slyrim didn't too much, it was the ones in Cyrodiil that did. That might have been part of the reason for the name change, aside from then not living in Atmora for a while.

And... so... speaking of race change... who is here claiming to be 'Chimer' instead of 'Dunmer' and not being the same?
I'll grant you Ysgrammor is in Nord heaven, that's true.
Sovngarde isn't like heaven. Die in battle and have no ties to other places (Hircine and Nocturnal's realms, for example) means you go there.

Regardless, he is still there, instead of "Atmora heaven" where ever that is. Also, pretty sure only devout Nords go there.
After all Tullius falls in battle, but isn't in Sovngarde like Ulfric, Galmor, and Rikke are. Pretty sure it's Nords only.
Yeah, Nord only. I thought that was implied. Atmorans didn't have the same Gods though.

And yet, Ysgrammor is there. You can meet him in the place.
I know and I was referring to the Atmoran Atmorans. You know what I mean?

So, Ysgrammor gets a pass because he believed in Sovngarde? That what you mean?
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Re: An honest request

Post  Lord Nerevar on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:20 pm

3rd/4th Eta Dunmer seem more different to the Chimer than 3rd/4th Era Nords to the Atmorans to me.
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Post  Arnier the fallen on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:21 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:Culture wise though.

not really chimer and dunmer are the same culturally and nords and atmorans are quite far removed from each other it that respect
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Post  james.steelhaven on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:22 pm

Lord Nerevar wrote:And factors like living near ash for so long, whereas the Nords are still living in a cold climate like what Atmora became.

(OK, multiquote is not working, so this goes for all of your Temple posts above.)

Are we talking Genetics, Spirituality, or something else all together?
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Post  Arnier the fallen on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:24 pm

james.steelhaven wrote:
Lord Nerevar wrote:And factors like living near ash for so long, whereas the Nords are still living in a cold climate like what Atmora became.

(OK, multiquote is not working, so this goes for all of your Temple posts above.)

Are we talking Genetics, Spirituality, or something else all together?

well im talking genetics and religion
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Post  Lord Nerevar on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:24 pm

My ash post was more biological.
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Post  The Rebel on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:25 pm

james.steelhaven wrote:
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james.steelhaven wrote:
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james.steelhaven wrote:
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james.steelhaven wrote:
Lord Nerevar wrote:The Nords are the closest living relatives to the Atmorans though, and aren't exactly dissimilar. The name changed, the Atmorans living in Slyrim didn't too much, it was the ones in Cyrodiil that did. That might have been part of the reason for the name change, aside from then not living in Atmora for a while.

And... so... speaking of race change... who is here claiming to be 'Chimer' instead of 'Dunmer' and not being the same?
I'll grant you Ysgrammor is in Nord heaven, that's true.
Sovngarde isn't like heaven. Die in battle and have no ties to other places (Hircine and Nocturnal's realms, for example) means you go there.

Regardless, he is still there, instead of "Atmora heaven" where ever that is. Also, pretty sure only devout Nords go there.
After all Tullius falls in battle, but isn't in Sovngarde like Ulfric, Galmor, and Rikke are. Pretty sure it's Nords only.
Yeah, Nord only. I thought that was implied. Atmorans didn't have the same Gods though.

And yet, Ysgrammor is there. You can meet him in the place.
I know and I was referring to the Atmoran Atmorans. You know what I mean?

So, Ysgrammor gets a pass because he believed in Sovngarde? That what you mean?

I think he believed in Shor, I think. Or he just died honorably and since Nords are Atmorans 2.0, Imperials are Nords 2.0 almost.

Like Altmer to Aldmer are Nords to Atmorans. One has evolved but are the same as their predeccesors.

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Re: An honest request

Post  james.steelhaven on Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:33 pm

Arnier the fallen wrote:
james.steelhaven wrote:
Lord Nerevar wrote:And factors like living near ash for so long, whereas the Nords are still living in a cold climate like what Atmora became.

(OK, multiquote is not working, so this goes for all of your Temple posts above.)

Are we talking Genetics, Spirituality, or something else all together?

well im talking genetics and religion

My ash post was more biological.

That being the case, the Dunmer are different from the Chimer.
Chimer don't have Azura's 'blessing' as you pointed out, affecting their spirituality.
Not sure about the Ancestor's Wrath bit either. That's pretty Spiritual in and of itself.
Chimer also don't have the 50% fire resist thanks to the Red Mountain's effects.

That would seem to indicate two different beings to me.
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